Friday, 31 December 2010

Ahmadiyya Scandal - 26 Ahmadis Excommunicated

Thoughts on the Ahmadiyya wedding expulsion A while ago, a member of Ahmadiya was prosletyzing to me. His argument was convoluted and based on some sort of supposed prophecy (if I recall correctly). It was pretty vague stuff but this Ahmadi seemed convinced by it.

I don't know much about Ahmadis but this latest episode of excommunication presents further question marks. Please think about it.

Excommunications: Intercepted private letter of Ahmadiyya

Video description links to the letter:

Full article here:
On December 30th 2010, 26 members of the Ahmadiyya faith were ex-communicated from the Ahmadiyya religious community.

May Allah guide them away from the false path of Ahmadiyya and to the truth of Islam.

Comment: I really pray the 26 members, who have been publicly denounced by one of their leaders, come to the true path of Islam.

I have never understood why they add this belief in Mirza Gulam Ahmed into their aqida.

If any Ahmadi reads this, I would like to tell you Islam is for everyone and that includes you. Please join the ummah and convert today:

If you would like information or require advice you can find Farhan00 here:


Soul Searching Over Criticism of Acts 17 Apologetics?

Siding with Acts 17 is the RIGHT thing to do

It has just passed midnight here - don't worry I have not been celebrating New Year so I am writing this with a sobre mind. I shall not go to bed before finishing this piece.

After the trial and the "not guilty" verdict I have been left with the feeling the Dearborn Police Department set Acts 17 (Wood, Qureshi, Mayel and Rzkalla) up. It is obvious. They botched up spectacularly and their desire to gain revenge for Acts 17's reporting of the 2009 Dearborn farce moved them into the realms of dishonesty.

The police force are corrupt. They were motivated by revenge. What type of farce are they operating here? The type of farce that sees four innocent  people arrested under the shallowest of prenises. Absolute desperation and corruption.

Acts 17 SHOULD sue and SHOULD win their law suit and certainly be offered some sort of compensation.

Negeen Mayel's guilty verdic SHOULD be over turned at appeal.

Roger Williams SHOULD offer public repentence and an apology.

The Dearborn Police Department SHOULD hang their heads in shame - especially the protagonists and the chief of police. In fact the chief should certainly resign if he has not already done so.

The Mayor is a disgrace. Yes, he is. He should be removed from his post or leave with a shred of dignity, that is to say he SHOULD resign.

The critics of Acts 17 need to take stock of whether the critique is fair or not. MOST critique, in fact ALL critique, has been unfair to varying extents. Of course, NOT all critics have been unfair on purpose but have been rash or misinformed. The critics SHOULD hang their heads in shame.

Those who rejoiced in the "arrests" (now proven false) SHOULD rethink their ways and question their intentions.

Of course, one can point the finger all day long but the one wagging the finger needs to look at himself. I have indeed blogged on the subject and spent more time on this episode than I would have liked. Looking back I feel the episode was deconstructive. What real positive could have been gained from such blogging and vlogging?

At times, we as Muslims get carried away and think EVERY Christian critic of Islam lies in EVERY instance and we lose a sense for genuine balance. A genuine balance that religious folk should strive for.
Qureshi in his short initial piece informed of the arrest and somehow, I wound up with the footage and my reporting on the episode began. A reporting which flew in the face of Acts 17's pleas of innocence.

So did they "disturb the peace"? No. They were set up by the cops! The cops deceived us all and led us into condemning innocent people. Criticising people based on conjecture (guess work) and false/dubious reports from Roger Williams, RevHaytham, the Mayor, Dearborn Police chief and the cops iimplicated.

I know I offered an apology previously as well as posting on their "not guilty" verdict but I think I should do so again. Of course, I shall be reviewing and/or removing the material I have posted on the subject over the course of the next few weeks but I do want to make it clear at the festival this group did nothing which broke the law of the land. The real criminals are the police force.

Suffice it to say, it would be criminal of you to not apologize if you impugned the group based on conjecture and misinformation which was pumped out by the police and the other folk.

I have appended their summary of the events so their critics can gain a more accurate picture of what actually transpired rather than relying on shady police reports and misinformation from the mayor.

An apology to Acts 17

Yahya Snow

It's not the Muslim New Year but...

I pray all the readers have a year in which they all progress spiritually and achieve any noble resolutions they have in mind. Ameen.

NOTE: This post is solely conerning the alleged "guilt" of Acts 17 at the Dearborn festival 2010. For other issues please contact me

UPDATE: I need to look into this further so I have removed the Acts 17 version of events.

Acts 17 Apologetics in Dearborn, Michigan

Thursday, 30 December 2010

Extremist Christian wants to NUKE Muslims - "Jihad" Exposed

Walid Shoebat shows his hand

On a Christian missionary satellite TV show (ABN) Walid Shoebat revealed his desire to nuke (nuclear bomb) Muslims. I was lost for words. Here we have a Christian fundamentalist who bangs on about “Islam is violent” yet he wants to eradicate Muslims from the face of the earth. Self projection on the part of Walid?

Walid Shoebat on ABN Sat reveals his extreme hatred (2 minute video)

I was surprised the host, Samar Gorial, never rebuked him for such a comment. In fact they carried on merrily with the rest of their show – "Jihad Exposed" – yes, that’s what they named the show. I guess the only “Jihad” they exposed was Walid Shoebat’s nuclear “Jihad”.

Muslims should be balanced
We as Muslims should be mindful of Islamophobia but always maintain fairness and distinguish between the moderate Christians and the extremists. NOT all Christians want to butcher us – in fact MOST would OPPOSE Walid Shoebat’s views. Walid’s views are certainly not compatible with the teachings of Muhammad or Jesus (pbut).

Quite where this radical Christian acquired such views is beyond us. I sensed Walid is cut off from a path constructive path and has fallen onto a destructive path. I invite Walid Shoebat to Islam so he can adopt a constructive path in which he is at peace with his Creator.

May Allah protect and guide us all. Ameen.

Wednesday, 29 December 2010

What Every Christian Needs to Know about the Qur'an – by James White

It seems as though it is silly season all over again

Dr James White is planning to write a book on Islam and he has already got the title in mind. Given White’s history of blunder and dishonesty with regards to Islam, can we really expect something other than a blunder-filled missionary tome?

A Scholarly Book on ISLAM by Dr James White?

As one commentator asked, can we really trust James White to give a truthful book about Islam? His answer said it all – “never in a million years”.

Now, folk who are unfamiliar with James White will be thinking why in the world is he so untrustworthy. Well, White has a history of blundering about Islam. Once called out for such blunders he either (dishonestly) maintains he is correct or remains silent and never corrects the blunder. Yep, White KNOWINGLY leaves his readers/viewers misinformed. How difficult is it to edit a video or an online article and correct it? Not difficult at all for those who have a regard for accuracy – White is lacking in this regard!

Dr James White has NOT READ the books he requires!!!

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Our James has NOT EVEN READ the books he plans to use for the writing of his book. Does that make sense? He has planned the title and the objectives, but has not read the books he will use. Odd.

You may be thinking "how do you know he has not read the books"? Well, he has not even purchased the books. In fact, he is asking people off the internet to purchase them for him!

Are you jerking our chain?

I’m serious. He wants YOU to buy him the books he will use to help write his book. Perhaps he will share the profits with us!

James White under the heading “Here's How You Can Help” writes “Human nature being what it is, there is a downside to my going into "book mode." It's pretty simple: we are a small ministry. We do not have fund raisers….”

“…. I use the Ministry Resource List to obtain the materials I need for these projects, and I have put a number of such resources on that list just recently, one of which is mighty expensive, but it would be incredibly helpful”

I popped over to his ministry resource list. There are six books he is wanting (I believe at least five are for this book). I have presented a screenshot and I have noticed one of them is yet to be released.

Profit sharing? Standard procedure? I don’t know!

He has decided the title and aims of the book without having read the relevant Islamic material. Is this standard procedure? I don’t know - it seems odd.

Is White simply going to quote mine from these books or is he actually going to read and understand them? If he actually studies them then surely it will be extremely difficult for him to write TWO books (one is unrelated to Islam) and READ and DIGEST all six books he wants us to purchase for him within a year (whilst travelling to London and Ireland as well as maintaining the podcasts). What type of standard of work are we expecting here? A concoction of internet polemics and quotes mined from books he has not digested? I don’t know.

Moreover if we purchase him these books will he share the profits and what will he do with the books after their use? I don’t know. [See the comment section for the full quote and decide for yourselves]

Dishonesty and inconsistency – history of James White

James White used a fabrication (from a CHRISTIAN missionary hit piece) and attributed the source to a MUSLIM scholarly work. Furthermore, James White has never acknowledged where he got the fabrication from – nor has he acknowledged the erroneous nature of the fabrication he used. How difficult is it to admit he (unknowingly) used a fabrication thinking it was a legitimate source? Not difficult at all to those who value intellectual honesty and accuracy.

I have personally rebuked him from this very blog. I rebuked him for using a “made up” translation of a Quranic Verse – YES, he decided against using a recognised translation from the NUMEROUS out there and used one made up by his pal (a chap who makes his own up to convince people Islam allows BESTIALITY!!!) - Just made up and totally fallacious!

Once called out for this our James White, to his audience, maintained he was correct by linking to the MADE UP (and proven wrong) translation by his pal. Dishonest, inconsistent and sad – how difficult would it have been to have a regard for accuracy and admitting the blunder and abjuring oneself? Not difficult at all. Note White has STILL NOT bothered correcting himself:

Furthermore, White was rebuked to linking to an article which carried ANOTHER made up translation – White labelled this as “excellent Quranic insights”. This highlights his utter lack of regard for truth and consistency. He has STILL NOT BOTHERED to correct the error:

Being mindful this is turning out to be a lengthier post than I would like I will try to truncate it and allow you, the reader, to research White’s blunders and dishonest episodes for yourselves.

Did James White lie in the Greg Stafford debate – he is accused of such

Did James White use deception in the Robert Price debate – he is accused of such

White maintains more disrespectful and misleading material - knowingly

Dr White ...Insufficient and unfounded arguments

NOTE: the reason why White has never acknowledged (nor corrected) the above blunders are due to his pride and his desire to appear reliable and learned regarding Islam. Sadly, many Christian evangelists want to present themselves as learned in Islam despite being incompetent in such a subject. Just look at the sad example of the now shamed Ergun Caner.

In my opinion, James White appears to be angling for a teaching job vis-à-vis Islam in Christian apologetics classes. White is terribly blunder-prone and intellectually dishonest. These classes would be better served by bringing in folk who have a regard for consistency, accuracy and integrity.

Unchristian behaviour plus dishonest and unruly friends/colleagues

Firstly, let’s start with James White. White and his colleague have been caught on RADIO insulting Russian and Mormon (Brigham Young’s wives) women based on appearance. They have even gained years of “entertainment” in doing so. White has never apologized for this outrageous bout of audio:

Sam Shamoun – this is James’ teacher and close friend. Sam Shamoun is the most shamed of Christian apologists – even more so than Ergun Caner. Sam Shamoun, in 2008 presented the thighing hoax as fact despite it being made up by Arab Christians on the net – perhaps these were Sam’s colleagues and/or friends. We don’t know as Sam Shamoun has gone all silent on us

Moreover, Sam has put James in hot water as James has been borrowing from Sam. Sadly, this borrowing meant James wound up using MADE UP AND ERRONEOUS Quranic translations – White was absolutely oblivious to it, which just further impugns White’s scholarship. Shamoun presents low level lies such as “Islam allows sex with animal”. The moral of the story – choose HONEST friends.

NOTE: James White has been invited to rebuke and disassociate himself from Sam Shamoun’s unruly and uncouth behaviour. White declined. I guess that’s integrity and consistency for you. White rebukes the easy target (Ergun Caner) but the one closer to home get’s away with insult and lies.

White seems to be covering and protecting Shamoun. I guess it is a close relationship. Perhaps Shamoun is helping with the book - What Every Christian Needs to Know about the Qur'an – by James White

Here is Sam Shamoun abusing Muslims and Islam:

Walid Shoebat – James White has gone on record denouncing old Walid [since this article White has gone on record to state he has never communicated with Shoebat and has even declined to appear on the same show as Shoebat and Kamal Saleem. In the conventional sense White is not colleagues with Shoebat or Saleem - he simple appears on the same missionary TV show as them. Perhaps he should let the director, Bassim Gorial, know as to their deceptive ways or stop appearing on the show altogether - it would do wonders for his credibility].
David Wood – Aside from claiming he was arrested because of “Sharia” and other dishonest outrages he has presented a sex hoax whilst claiming it to be a fact, this is the SAME hoax his friend Shamoun presented two years earlier. How sad.

Kamal Saleem – [as per Shoebat, see above] This one makes up his own Ahadith literature. Yes, he fabricates hadith amongst other lies and blunders.

Nabeel Qureshi – he knowingly uses fallacious translations of Ahadith literature. He has STILL not come clean and corrected himself. A sad indictment of James White’s inability is White’s featuring of Nabeel Qureshi’s dishonest work – White is STILL featuring such misleading work!

Pastor Joseph – this is James White’s friend and colleague on ABN. He presents lies such as Islam allows homosexuality amongst other outrages.

The old adage “A man is on the path of his friend” is quite telling and impugning.


James White is out of his league. The only relationship he should be having with a book concerning Islamic matters is that of a reader not as a writer. Sadly, the hunt for kudos and a few extra dollars is quite a self-deluding tool.

Our advice to James is to clean up his act and spend time studying, correcting his previous blunders and double checking his previous work - even Catholics (Catholicism is an area James knows much better than Islam) are calling him out on past inconsistencies and blunders. Time better served, James.

Senior Muslim scholars are wary of TV shows which put scholars in a position to give edicts via phone-in shows. The reason behind the warning is to guard against error. Contrast this prudency with James White’s recklessness - he is writing a book despite being unqualified and error-prone.

We shall not recommend his book to anyone. Obviously, some Muslim apologists may purchase it in order to sift for errors but those who are interested in learning should be mindful where you take your education from. Here is a suggestion to his followers, rather than relying on the unreliable why not sift through material yourself and do your OWN research. Just a suggestion…

Thus knowledge constitutes your deen (religion), so be wary of whom you take your religion from – Ibn Sirin [Ibn Hibban credited this statement to other scholars too]

PS If you have any errors or bouts of dishonesty you would like to highlight related to James White you can always leave a comment or drop an email.


Monday, 27 December 2010

Nothing in Islam Justifies Al Qaeda – Shaykh Waleed Basyouni

Sadly, there is a great deal of demonization of Islam by Islamophobes who are bent on framing Islam for the crime of  9/11, 7/7, Madrid bombing and other terrorist atrocities.

The good news is that we have an expert, Sheikh Waleed Basyouni, to tell us Islam does not allow terrorism or the killing of innocent people. (MUST SEE video)

Sheikh: Prophet Muhammad (p) was AGAINST extremism

The Prophet Muhammad (p) warned against extremism and creating corruption in the land (killing/destroying societies) is totally against the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (p).

Islam does not even allow the killing of a cat so obviously the killing of innocent human beings would not be allowed. The sheikh gives insightful examples to educate us.

NOTHING is Islam which allows World Trade Centre attack

The sheikh confirms there is NOTHING in Islam which allows attacking civilians, hijacking planes actions such as 9/11. He cites a fatwa by senior Saudi scholars - Sheikh Ibn Baz’s fatwa which taught AGAINST such heinous acts.

Sheikh Basyouni: Muslim scholars are opposing terrorists

Terrorists do not simply target Non-Muslims; they have carried out attacks in Algeria, Egypt and other Muslim countries – killing many Muslims.

Muslim scholars are sincere about fighting terrorism. Muslims have been battling extremists for centuries. Great Muslim personalities such as Uthman and Ali (ra) were killed by extremists.

Sheikh Basyouni recognises there is a minority of extremists within Muslim communities and is trying to educate the extremists so they move away from the path of extremism – the sheikh is opposing terrorism and striving to keep Muslims from the destructive and unislamic path of terrorism.

The sheikh speaks on Surah 9:5

The specialist, Sheikh Basyouni, mentions this Verse has a CONTEXT – it was specifically about the pagans of Mecca who were at war with the Prophet (p). The Prophet actually took control of Mecca and he did NOT kill the pagans even though he was in a position to do so.

The sheikh certainly does not consider this Verse/Surah to be justifying terrorism. The sheikh cites Ibn Qayyim who taught the Prophet never ever started a war against a people.


The expert, Sheikh Waleed Basyouni, does not see anything in Islam which justifies terrorism or Al Qaeda. Muslim scholars (before 9/11) were opposing terrorism and the scholars are sincere in trying to educate extremists away from such destructive paths.

We should learn about Islam from the experts (i.e. Sheikh Waleed Basyouni) rather than agenda-based Islamophobes on the internet or extremists:

Thus knowledge constitutes your deen (religion), so be wary of whom you take your religion from – Ibn Sirin [Ibn Hibban credited this statement to other scholars too]

You will not find an iota whether in the Holy Quran or the quotations of the Prophet (p) that substantiates the killing of one innocent soul, not to mention all the innocent victims of September 11 {pg331, imam Moustafa Zayed – The lies about Muhammad}

Come to Islam today:

NOTE: Sheikh Waleed Basyouni’s credentials and biography details are mentioned in the comment section. This gentleman is an expert. We should learn from the experts.


Saturday, 25 December 2010

Christians Lying About Santa Claus - Yusuf Estes

Christians Lying – Yusuf Estes (Funny but Serious)

Sheikh Yusuf Estes deals out a few home truths about Christians, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Bible. Does lying about Santa Claus affect the children adversely and help push them towards atheism?

The bigger lie still

As Yusuf Estes mentioned the bigger lie is that of associating partners with God. Christians may present a philosophical harmonization of Jesus and the Holy Spirit with monotheism but the fact remains these are not teachings which emanate from Jesus and are indeed non-biblical. The Bible does, in fact, teach monotheism, if only the Christians would ignore the conjecture and look at the gems in the Bible:

Mark 12:29 (New International Version, 2010)
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a]
a. Mark 12:29 Or The Lord our God is one Lord

Exodus 20 (New International Version, 2010)
1 And God spoke all these words:
2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
a. Exodus 20:3 Or besides

Deuteronomy 5 (New International Version, 2010)
6 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
7 “You shall have no other gods before[b] me.
a. Deuteronomy 5:7 Or besides

God in His Final Revelation taught the same:

Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3) And there is none comparable unto Him. (4) [Pikthal translation of the Quran (S112)]

The biggest present

Christians, I know it is the Christmas period but please offer yourself the BEST present you can offer yourself - the present of Islam. You can learn about Islam at your local Mosque or Islamic centre:


Thursday, 23 December 2010

Imam Moustafa Zayed Answers Samar Gorial on ABN Sat - Jizya

It is inevitable disingenuous Islamophobes are indeed going to give rise to a load of misconceptions. Sadly, Samar Gorial of ABN Sat was absolutely oblivious to rulings concerning Jizya despite having a bunch of “experts” as her colleagues. Why is this? Her colleagues consist of some of the most obnoxiously deceptive folk I have had the misfortune of encountering.

As an individual who investigates Christian outreaches to Muslims I can honestly say the outrage which I have witnessed from Samar Gorial’s colleagues and those who support the enterprise is even more debauched than Robert Morey’s fabrication of Ahadith literature.

Samar Gorial was devoid of any sound understanding of Jizyah as her primary teachers are agenda driven - an agenda which is demonization of Muslims. Thank God Muslims are on hand to clear away the bag of tricks, gags and heckles her colleagues of used for obfuscation purposes.

Why did Samar Gorial not know this?

If the video does not play, please see here

Advice to sincere folk and Samar Gorial

If you want to learn about Islam please do not take the circus act that is the “ABN apologist” as an authority. Erm, one of them makes up his own Quran translation to convince us bestiality is Islamic, the other one peddles sex hoaxes and claims Muslims will chop off your limbs if you fix a church roof, another claims anal sex is Islamic, others claim to be ex terrorists even though nobody of Google-searching ability believes them. I need not go on – I think you get the picture. [For those interested further in these debauched characters then please search this blog or email me]

Robert Spencer Vs Imam Moustafa Zayed – Part 2

Robert Spencer was sniggering like a schoolboy whilst Sheikh Zayed was clearing up after the circus act.

Spencer has no reason to snigger. He has just been kicked across 400 pages by Sheikh Moustafa - the imam wrote a book refuting Spencer. I have the book and confirm this. Spencer and his pals should be ashamed as they allowed the lady to fall into obvious error.

Just like his book response, imam Zayed was shown to have more class and substance than Robert Spencer.

Robert Spencer would do well to look into “The lies about Muhammad – How you were deceived into Islamophobia”. I guess his arrogance and desire for repute and cash will prevent him; however, I could be wrong.

Paying Jizya is Biblical - Submission to Governing Authorities

Sadly Christians continue to throw their Bible under the bus and dispose every ounce of consistency whilst attacking a perfectly reasonable aspect of Islam. There is NOTHING wrong with Jizya – both Biblically and Islamically! We have already discussed this issue via a previous blog post and one by Jonathon (TGV19). For those who are interested further you can view the following pages:

Basics on Jizya

The Bible: Christians should pay Jizya tax and other taxes

Invitation to Islam

Would you like to learn about Islam? Ever wanted to learn the truth about Jesus and Muhammad (pbut)? Would you like a relationship with God? If yes:


ABN Sat employee – Mormon + Russian women scandal
Walid Shoebat – Even the right have exposed him as a liar
ABN Sat – Sex hoax purveyor
Muslims are brother/sisters of Jesus


May Allah reward Imam Moustafa Zayed and Brother Abdullah Kunde for their efforts. Ameen.

TAGS: Abdullah kunde, Dr Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, The Lies about Muhammad, Arab Christians, Decepetion, Missionaries, Islamophobia, Jizya, Dhimmi, Umdat As Salik, Arabic Aramaic Broadcasting Netwrok english cahnnel Paul Corinthians director bassim gorial.

Wednesday, 22 December 2010

John MacArthur: Jesus Supports War (Defensive Jihad)

Christian apologists seem to bend over backwards to present Jesus (pbuh) as a complete pacifist. Why would it be so terrible to even view Jesus (pbuh) as a Prophet who allowed defensive Jihad? There is no reason. Liberal Christian apologists are pandering to the secular humanists in the West.

Jesus and war/self defence

Do all Christians believe Luke 35-36 is a parable and cannot be used for instruction in a self defensive war? No. A prominent Christian theologian who has studied at Biola University, John Macarthur seems to see no insult in portraying Jesus as a supporter of defensive Jihad – in the context of war.

An insightful video by 1MoreMuslim shows the two Christian extremes – the liberal Christian apologist (David Wood) who presents Jesus as a staunch pacifist whilst the well known scholar John MacArthur sees no harm in using the Gospels to justify war in certain instances. Who is right?

John MacArthur's views on Jesus Supporting War, Jihad and Luke 22:35-39

Jesus (according to John Macarthur) preached defensive Jihad

John MacArthur claims Jesus in Luke 14:31 ELEVATES war:

"Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand?

John Macarthur advances the idea Jesus in Luke 22:36 endorsed a just war and self defence:

He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. [see comment sction for the full passage]

The Bible can be interpreted in many ways – even in violent ways

This just goes to show the Bible can be interpreted in many ways. During the inquisition and crusades Christians were imprisoning, torturing, butchering, murdering, raping and pillaging under Christian leadership. The crusades and inquisitions were religiously sanctioned by the Catholic Church. Now, are you telling me NO Christian was using the Bible to justify BLOODSHED?

Muslim terrorism Vs Christian terrorism

Which interpretation?
 Christian extremists like portraying Islam as a faith which sanctions terrorism while the SCHOLARS teach the terrorists are distorting and misusing Islamic texts. Muslim scholarly condemnation is consistent and is certainly more authoritative than the ramblings of the Christian right wing.

However, the Christian right are war mongers and will certainly use their Bibles to justify American aggression in the Middle East and elsewhere. Think about it, would “Christian” America REALLY be bombing Iraqi and Afghan kids if no American Christian supported them? Christians need to admit there are extremists within Christianity who have access to far more potent and destructive tools than the rag tag folk which comprise Al Qaida.

Christian terrorism is more dangerous

We should also admit “Christian” terrorism has claimed more lives and heaped more misery upon the innocent than “Muslim” terrorism. Whilst we are telling a few home truths we can state Muslims have denounced “Muslim” terrorism whilst Christians have not really denounced “Christian” terrorism nearly as much – in fact their terrorism is under the guise of “war”.

Point of interest - Jesus and Muhammad similarities [pbut]

Jesus is very much like the Prophet Muhammad. During the Meccan phase, Muhammad was in a powerless position which resembles the situation Jesus found himslef in during his whole lifetime. Of course, Jesus was a minority so certainly could not have taken on the Roman subjugators via war. Perhaps this is the reason behind Jesus not partaking in war.

Prophet Muhammad, during the Medinan phase, found himself in a position to fight back and oppose the transgressors physically - which he did. Jesus will have a similar phase upon his second coming - he will have power to oppose disbelievers. He will kill disbelievers and will kill the Antichrist. [see Sahih Muslim, Kitab al Fitan Ashrat as Sa'ah 8.196-199]

We should respect these two great Prophets and love them - peace be upon them

An invitation to the Truth

Would you like a relationship with God? Would you like closeness with God? If yes please look into Islam:


Did Walid Shoebat Harass Debbie Schlussel?

Another "Christian" con man falling
Walid Shoebat: a “fraud and creep”

Everybody with the capability to do a Google search distrusts Walid Shoebat. Many, including myself, consider him to be an outright conman. It appears EVEN his fellow right wingers have cut him loose and labelled him a “fraud and creep” [see Debbie Schlussel’s article – linked below]

Walid Shoebat Harassing a female whilst posing as a female?

OK, Debbie Schulussel is amongst the Islamophobic crowd but she is still a lady, however, according to Debbie our Walid has been “HARASSING” her whilst posing as a female.

How ironic...

The irony is immense. This bloke hangs about with the anti-gay and anti-cross dressing crowd yet is accused of masquerading as a female email correspondent. Interesting.

It gets worse as Shoebat and his pals would attack Muslims on “women’s rights” issues whilst this lady is accusing him of harassing her. Very interesting.

Walid Shoebat and his alleged foul mouth

We have already highlighted Ted Shoebat’s foul mouth but based on Debbie Schlussel’s allegation bad language appears to run rampant in the Shoebat household.

Debbie Schlussel alleges Walid Shoebat “told me, “F-ck You, Bitch”

I need not say anymore. Christians, please stop being taken for a ride by Walid Shoebat – have some self respect by holding onto your cash. Don't be Shoebat's next victim.

Debbie Schlussel’s scathing attack on Walid Shoebat:

Walid Shoebat’s cash empire and naïve Christians

Look, it is not difficult to realize this bloke is untrustworthy and it’s a big business for him. The Jerusalem Post announced his business to have an annual turnover of $500,000. Why is there so much corruption in the fundamentalist camp? Shoebat should have been sent packing along time ago but is STILL raking in cash. The ones who are being duped by this “ex terrorist” are STILL the Christians – nothing new there!

As Bill Maher says – that is why they call them the flock

You really have to be a fully fledged member of the flock to believe he actually bombed a bank. He even denied it at times whilst at other times claimed he did. I guess "ex terrorists" are prone to amnesia as well; either that or our Walid has been telling porkies.

To bomb or not to bomb - Walid Shoebat - HILARIOUSLY shoddy!

If you cannot see through Walid Shoebat's cons after viewing MrAyamen1's video then you really need a trip to the opticians. [video by Ayamen1]

Walid Shoebat’s Mark of the Beast lie
Walid Shoebat shown to be a liar via the Jerusalem Post

Invitation to Islam

Christians, are you tired of being deceived and taken for a ride by your co-religionists? Would you like to learn about Islam without paying a dishonest money-hungry Christian? If yes:


Sunday, 19 December 2010

Extreme Christian Jihad Exposed on ABN Sat

Fundamentalist Christian Islamophobes’ Blood Thirsty Scheming

The anti-muslim sentiment runs wild within American fundamentalist circles; wilder still, when you add an unhinged Arab Christian hate mob to the mix.

Let’s kill a few more Muslims

A Christian bigot calls in and sets pulses racing with “I know this sounds blood thirsty and cold”. He then proceeds to unveil his scheme of using Iraq and Iraqi Sunnis to fight against Iran. This, my friends, is what a heavy dose of Islamophobia does to people. The man has no regard for Muslim life or CHRISTIAN life – there are Christians living in Iraq.

Recently Muslims condemned the criminal actions of a minority in Iraq who were persecuting Christians. The Christian Islamophobes in America (and the Arabs on ABN) were having a field day in using their tears for these poor Iraqi Christians to fuel their anti-Muslim propaganda campaign.

I guess those tears must have been crocodile – that’s to say they were disingenuous. This American fundamentalist Christian and the two Arab Christians on the show clearly have no regard for the sanctity of life. These folk sound like they are straight out from a death cult.

Pastor Joseph Najm, become a lion!

This bloke is actually agreeing with the bigot caller despite being IRAQI himself and having family in IRAQ, I guess the American fundamentalists have colonised his mind and his goal is to please his new masters. Quite what the Iraqi director of ABN Sat, Bassim Gorial, thinks of  the blod thirsty plot of bombing his relatives to smithereens is beyond me.

My advice to Pastor Joseph, change your name back to an Arab name and start having some self-respect. Americans are not superior to Iraqis/Arabs (nor vice versa). Try standing up against the blood thirsty schemes against YOUR people. What’s the matter? Worried your bank balance will be affected or the American fundies will ship you off to Guantanamo bay or some other torture outlet?

Develop some moral and testicular fortitude my friend. One day in the life of a lion is better than a thousand as a sheep. Sadly, Arab Christians are all too ready to be used and discarded by American fundamentalists.

To quote Bill Maher – that’s why they call them the flock.

Think for yourselves, people!!!

It gets worse for the Arabs on ABN

The caller [RadicalModerate/FatMan] actually MOCKS Arab accents in his spare time. I guess the joke is on the Arabs at ABN. I would advise them to have some self respect and stop pandering to (and imitating) red neck-type American fundamentalists.

?A bonus lady bigot on Islamophobic pills?

Lady, stop. Please stop humiliating yourself.

In the video we have another bigot caller added to the mix. This lady rang up to bash Muslim "babysitters" in Canada – she suspects they are spies and are secretly teaching Canadian kids the Quran. Paranoid, just a little?

I think she was speaking about au pairs rather than babysitters. Nevertheless, her paranoid bigotry was self evident and enough to discard her as foolish. Lady, please reform yourself.

A question on the Holy Spirit and Islamophobic hearts

You know, I don’t get it. Christian fundamentalists always claim to be guided by the holy spirit yet this type of lust for blood and disrespect for human life permeates their very being.

The solution is Islam

These Christians need a relationship with God. Jesus had a relationship with God. EVEN the unreliable Gospels make mention of him worshipping God. My advice to Christians is to be spiritual by worshipping God , just like Moses, Jesus and Muhammad did – peace be upon them. Islam is the way, the truth and the life:

Special section for Assyrian and Arab Christians to convert to Islam


Friday, 17 December 2010

James White: Lewd "Ridicule" of Women (Mormon and Russian Women Insulted)

James White, Grow up Just Grow up!

James, Absolutely unacceptable! You behaved like a lewd schoolboy in traducing and ridiculing these ladies based entirely on their looks. I’m calling you to public repentance. You claim to be an elder at your church – what do the females at your church (Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church, Arizona) think of this?

For those unaware

James White on his Dividing Line podcast was ridiculing the looks of the wives of Brigham Young whilst his pal was suggesting they look worse than “Russian women” – whom he likened to MEN!!!

He even displayed pictures of these ladies on his blog. For some reason our James White gets “enjoyment” out of pub-style "banter" about their looks. Sad, very sad.

This unsophisticated, uncouth and sinful episode warrants rebuke and calls for a public apology as well as repentance. You maybe asking, where is the evidence for such a disgraceful turn? Sadly, it’s down below in audio. Please note it is offensive to women, Mormons and Russians (as well as ALL decent people)

James White and Richard degrade women and insult Mormons and Russians - rebuked by a MUSLIM.

If the video does not play please see:

James White’s Female Colleagues including Mary Jo Sharp

Quite what James White’s female colleagues (Haifa Gorial, Samar Gorial, Mary Jo Sharp etc) think of James White’s attitude and actions over the years leaves one wondering.

I would really like to see Mary Jo Sharp of Confident Christianity respond to this as she is the standard-bearer for females in Christian apologetics – surely this is yet another setback in the quest to attract more female Christian apologists.

Root and branch overhaul

James White and his pal did not simply misspeak. White reveals he has been gaining “enjoyment” from this type of LEWD AND DGRADING ridicule for “YEARS”. Why White is deciding to share such information with us at the twilight of his career is puzzling.

As pointed out in the video James White of Alpha and Omega ministries is surrounded by rabble rousers who are even more uncouth and unsophisticated. The sad plight of Shamoun’s list of misdemeanours bears testimony to such fact.

Recently, I was passed a link where the right wing Debbie Schlussel claimed Walid Shoebat had been harassing her and an allegation of a vile insult was made!

Episodes like those outlined are indeed regular in the world of Christian apologetics – a sad indictment on the failed sate Christian apologetics lies therein.

The Holy Spirit?

Fundamentalist Christians always claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit yet their leaders (in apologetics) are engaged in unedifying behaviour, deception, inconsistency and inaccuracy. Surely, this is food for thought.

We have personally caught Christians in acts of deception and inconsistency on numerous occasions – just flick through some of the pages on this blog and you will see Christians peddling astonishing sex hoaxes, debauched lies and outrageous inconsistencies.

It's a good thing Muslims are on hand to correct and rebuke these Christians. Interesting.

A call to public apology, repentance and reformation

James White and the “Christian” rabble rousers who cling to him MUST reform themselves and offer public repentance and apologies. I call for the other elders at the Phoenix Baptist Church in Arizona to rebuke James White.

An invitation to the Truth

Would you like a relationship with God? Would you like closeness with God? If yes please look into Islam:


More information about James White can be found here

Thursday, 16 December 2010

More Deception from Nabeel Qureshi and his friend!

Arrrgh. these two really are deceptive pieces of work!

Dr Nabeel Qureshi allows his pal to state something which he KNOWS is UNTRUE  - deceptive stuff from Nabeel Qureshi (nothing new here)

His pal (David Wood) asserted "a ton of the quran was lost after the battle of Yamama". This is obvioulsy untrue - Nabeel Qureshi CONFIRMS it and spills the beans. In the process Nabeel Qureshi incriminates himself. These two "Chrstian missionaries" clearly did not check to see what they had said earlier on public record. Caught red faced and red handed. how long will Christians continue to give their Acts 17 ministry cash? I guess the honest and informed ones stopped a loooong time ago!

Islamophobes: a puzzling bunch!

Why are Islamophobes always getting caught in scams? Surely, they would have mastered the art of covering their tracks? Oh well, these two have not...

Dishonest Nabeel Qureshi Slams David Wood of Acts 17 Apologetics

It is late here, God willing I shall add to this post tomorrow or over the weekend.

InshaAllah links will appear here shortly. For those who want more information on such subjects please refer to the work of Sheikh Yasir Qadhi (online plus offline), brother Bassam Zawadi's presentation on this topic, Dr Mohammed Mamdou's online lecture and imam Shabir Ally's online presentation. Don't be fooled by deceivers such as the two "Christians" in this video.

Discover Islam Today:

Wednesday, 15 December 2010

Sam Shamoun and Keith Truth Insult Christianity – Jibreelk (MUSLIM) Defends Christianity

It was a toss up between posting insight from the scholarly Geza Vermes or lowering the tone by turning attention towards Sam Shamoun and his pal, Keith Truth (aka Keith Thomson). Sadly, Shamoun and his cohorts are jumping through hoops to gain attention – even if it means trampling on the Bible in the process

“Biblical Mockery” - ARE YOU HAVING A LAUGH?

All those posts showcasing Sam Shamoun’s penchant for insult and childish name-calling have been explained away as “Biblical mockery” – by Shamoun’s pal, KeithTruth. Shamoun is allowing such a farce to “protect” the remnants of his tattered and egotistical apologetics “career” – I use the word career in a loose sense.

Jibreelk pours cold water on the two “Christians” – Shamoun even had the misguided audacity to claim his actions were sanctioned by the Prophet Muhammad (p)!

A Joke

So these two “Christians” are claiming Shamoun’s outbursts are BIBLICAL and PROPHETIC. What a joke. I don’t want to dignify such nonsense any further. True Christians can feel free to rebuke these two miscreants who have hijacked the Bible to peddle their whims and deficiencies.

Good news, Muslims are here

The good news is that a Muslim has called them out on the issue. Jibreelk has responded to KeithTruth’s farce. I want to add Keith was rather deceptive to boot as he injected some OLD and unrelated Muslim insults from Pal Talk in his attempt to justify Shamoun’s outbursts – oops, sorry Keith, I forgot you call them “Biblical”. Since when was the unprovoked calling of people “snakes”, “dogs”, “cowards” and insulting opposing faiths classified as Biblical? Since Keith and Shamoun decided to do some damage control.

NOTE: ALL Shamoun’s UNBIBLICAL (sorry Keith, even a blind man can see it’s NOT Biblical) audio outbursts featured on this blog have indeed been unchallenged. NOBODY else was on the “mic” abusing or provoking Shamoun. I only possessed audio.

Deception ensures those donations will not dry up, eh Keith?

Keith misdirected Christian audiences into believing Shamoun was being provoked. He fetched audio of Nadir Ahmed – which is YEARS OLD! He also played something old from Zaatari and someone unknown. Why? Because of DECEPTION and DEFLECTION.

NONE of Keith’s audio had any bearing on (or relation to) Shamoun’s outbursts. I guess Keith and Shamoun were worried all those donations would be drying up.

Come on, who in the world is going to donate cash to Shamoun whilst knowing the truth about him. The truth is no obstacle for Keith – he just hurdles over it and misleads his co-religionists. Christians, why do you put up with this? Surely your EXPECT accountability?

Apology and James White remained silent

Why couldn’t Shamoun not apologise rather than relying on his pal to abuse the Bible and make a mockery out of his faith? We ALL know the Bible does not support Shamoun’s antics.

Even James White – a pal of Shamoun- has NOT supported Shamoun (and Keith) in their trashing of the Bible whilst justifying their inadequacies. Good thing we have MUSLIMS to rebuke these miscreants…

A question about the Holy Spirit…

Do you really expect us to believe these folk have the Holy Spirit “dwelling within”? Really…
Why it is a Muslim (Jibreelk) is bringing Christians to account and rebuke? Interesting. “By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?” – Mat 7:16

Iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another – Proverbs 27:17

Invitation to Islam

Are you fed up with polemics and misinformation coming from the church? Would you like a relationship with God? Would you like to learn about the historical Jesus? If yes, please look into Islam.


Monday, 13 December 2010

Christians, WAKE UP to Walid Shoebat's LIES!

Has Shoebat sold his soul?
Collapsing: Walid Shoebat’s Money Making Empire

A renewed focus on Walid Shoebat ensures his eschatological lies are put to bed as well as a revisiting of old ground our Walid meets with deadly silence

Putting Walid’s eschatological lies (and the rest) in the dumpster

Walid Shoebat’s web of deceit is unravelling. His “evangelical eschatological” charades and money making schemes are being exposed by folk who are interested in the truth.

Before presenting Mr Ayamen’s video highlighting the outright deceptions Walid Shoebat is peddling to fundamentalist Christians I will present other insight which impugns Walid Shoebat further

Walid Shoebat’s uncle exposes him…

According to Walid’s uncle Walid did NOT have a religious upbringing! Furthermore his uncle did not recall much about Walid as his mother kept her distance and he moved to America at the age of 16. Is it possible our Walid was raised a Christian by his mother? Yes!

The plot thickens. Was Shoebat ALWAYS a Christian?

I have also received word about Walid’s surname, “Shoebat”, being a name used by Christians in Jordan and the origination of such a name is Palestine. Who is to know? This further highlights the doubt engulfing Walid Shoebat. .Shoebat said he was born in Bayt Laheem بيت لحم in Palestine, we know very well that Most of the people living there are Christians، Jesus was born there. [kudos IslamResponses]

Was Walid Shoebat ever a Muslim, never mind a “terrorist”? Care to explain, Walid…

What about the Jerusalem Post and Walid's phantom “bomb” claim?

You just cannot get caught with anymore red on your hands!

Christians, this literally spells out D E C E P T I O N. Even a 10 year old can sniff this one out.
Our Walid claims to have bombed a bank but the bank has no record of it! Fishy stuff indeed:

Shoebat's claim to have bombed Bank Leumi in Bethlehem is rejected by members of his family who still live in the area, and Bank Leumi says it has no record of such an attack ever taking place” []

Hmmm, who are you going to believe; the bank or a dubious, money-hungry Christian fundamentalist? The choice is simple. It’s not Walid.

Walid Shoebat - Ex-Terrorist exposed (By Ayamen1)

Mr Ayamen exposes Walid Shoebat’s “ex terrorist” persona as dubious and his fabrications about Muslim beliefs

Walid Shoebat’s age does not back his “ex terrorist” charade

As Mr Ayamen pointed out Walid’s age does no lend weight to his cooked up story:

Academic professors and others “complain they [Shoebat and his buddies] are too old to have been recruited for Islamic terror as teenagers since the ideology of Islamic jihad attacks "only became prevalent in the late 1980s, and the men are all middle age” []

O Christians, wake up to this fraudster!

Walid Shoebat is caught fabricating Hadith literature

Mr Ayamen does an excellent job in debunking the bread and butter lies our Walid has been peddling to Christian audiences; yes, I’m talking about his claims that Muslims are supporters of the antichrist and that the Mahdi is an “antichrist” – the usual fabrications gullible fundamentalist Christian audiences salivate over.

The reality is (as seen in the video) Shoebat is making stuff up – he is LYING. Our Walid really knows how to milk those Christians for cash and adoration!

Annual turnover of $500,000 - Walid's business!

Yep, that’s Walid’s company (Top Executive Media). Who said crime (lying) never paid? Our Walid has barrel loads of cash but is barren of class.

Further reading:

Shoebat’s bogus Mark of the Beast claim

Walid Shoebat’s son

Invitation to Islam

Christians, are you tired of being deceived and taken for a ride by your co-religionists? Would you like to learn about Islam without paying a dishonest money-hungry Christian? If yes:


Saturday, 11 December 2010

Does the Name of Muhammad Appear in Song of Solomon 5:16? Further discussion.

Christians have begun to respond to Muslim arguments concerning the Song of Solomon 5:16. I was sent an HOUR LONG video on this subject despite it only requiring 5 minutes to say what they wanted to say (i.e. the reference is an adjective)

The Song of Solomon is ripe for picking out allegorical meanings due to its very nature.Many Muslims present it as a direct reference to the Prophet Muhammad and the Christians simply respond by claiming it is an adjective (“full of sweetness”) rather than a name and thus the conversation ends. This is essentially what the Christian show claims; but it takes an hour to do so. There is a response BELOW the video

ABN's James White and Pastor Joseph on Song of Songs 15:6

Ali Ataie takes the conversation further

A few posts ago we unveiled Ali Ataie’s thoughts on the subject – thoughts which go further and keep the argument alive.

In order to respond and keep the discussion alive we shall present Ali Ataie’s defence of the claim. CHRISTIANS PLEASE LISTEN (only 3 mins in duration):

The Christian show fails

The Christians, in the video above, fail to mention the other uncanny resemblances to the Prophet Muhammad within the Song. They had long enough to look into the Song – one hour – for some reason they began speaking about Ahmed Deedat and Pakistan! Stay on topic folks.

Christians invited to think

I’d like to invite Christians to think about this further. You can also see our discussion with a Christian apologist on the internet related to Muhammad in John 1:1. He was struggling to remove ALL intimations of the Prophet Muhammad in the Gospel of John 1:19-21. EVEN Christians began questioning him. Clearly there is something in this pericope involving John the Baptist.

Jesus has Muslim brothers and sisters

Why do you believe in the incarnation?

Do you believe in Original sin?

Come to Islam today:


Tuesday, 7 December 2010

Christians who Support Dr James White…

Could you folk help stimulate James White into answering a charge of dishonesty arising from his debate with Greg Stafford? Jordan (TheReligionFreeDeist) has graciously broken the charge down so the lay can follow. I genuinely believe James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries should invest some time into helping us clear this one up. Does White have a defence?

The Background

In his review of the White-Price debate, Jordan made a claim of White lying in the Greg Stafford debate. We did ask him to explain such and he has kindly gone to the length of explaining it via YouTube video (see below)

Obviously, courtesy (as well as the nature of the complaint – dishonesty) dictates White should respond in some capacity. We look forward to White’s explanation.In the process we would like White to apologize for this debacle, rather than sweeping it under the rug whilst misinforming his audience concerning the Quran:

Video entitled: Dr. White DID lie in Stafford debate

Video description: Exposing a little debating tactic used by apologist. The apologist will attempt to append a "factual" statement (that is occasionally false) to the end of his cross-examination question, in an attempt to cause his opponent to fumble or second-guess himself, by shooting down the expected response before he can even begin.

White’ shoddy misinformation in the Robert Price debate

I have listened to most of this debate and White has blundered again concerning Ahadith literature. The man is clearly not studying in a concerted fashion; as a result he is misinforming people about Islamic matters. God willing this will be subject to a future blog post. Why ill-informed Christians readily present themselves as learned in Islamic matters is beyond me.

For those who are further interested - I have appended Jordan’s written explanation to the White-Stafford issue in the comment section


Saturday, 4 December 2010

Pastor Joseph Najm's Deceptive Episode (Featuring Mary Jo Sharp) - ABN Sat

It never rains but pours!

Previously we scolded Pastor Joseph Najm and his pal for their homosexual allegations on ABN Sat’s News and Views program.This time Pastor Joseph has found a new partner in crime; an ignorant regular caller to ABN’s “Jesus or Muhammad” shows.

What’s the new ABNSat scandal and deception?

The Pastor and his caller pal have been claiming JESUS sends the Prophet in Surah 61:6. This is errant nonsense. This ridiculous claim of theirs was exposed here

Furthermore, the duo suggested Muhammad and Ahmad is not the same person. Sheer ignorance! Ahmad is another name for the Prophet Muhammad (p), see here. ABN seems to have a propensity in inviting the clueless to distort and misinform concerning Islam. Another sad episode of deception and outrage!

ABN's New Lies are Exposed Spectacularly

Mary Jo Sharp of Confident Christianity commended

After this debacle, Mary Jo, on her blog, did correct the caller’s claim of Muhammad not being Ahmad. For this we commend her and encourage other Christians to abjure themselves and the bouts of unedifying deceptions on ABN.

I imagine she is aware of ABN’s previous shamefully deceptive and hate-mongering episodes. After all, she knows Mr Wood and Mr Shamoun. Both of whom have been caught peddling this lie (Shamoun was exposed in 2008, Wood in 2010 on ABN):

Rebuking Mary Jo Sharp?

Initially I felt Mary Jo should be rebuked for not correcting the caller’s erroneous claim of “Jesus sending the Prophet” whilst on air – as she had the translation in front of her. However, I will put this down to human error on her part.

“Son of a gun” ( ابن مسدس )

How shocking! Insulting somebody in such a manner was childish but the egg was well and truly on “Pastor” Joseph Najm’s face as he was caught in deception and ignorance. May Allah guide this shamed man to reformation. Ameen.

Where were Gary Cobb and Pastor Vance?

Gary Cobb and/or Pastor Vance should have put an end to the deceptive charade immediately. Surely they had a translation of the Quran on their person? Come on Gary and Vance, feel free to step in and prevent your colleagues from uttering deception and insult.

Surely Pastor Vance felt calling somebody a “son of a gun” was going too far. Is that edifying to the church?

A word on Pastor Joseph Najm (Joseph “Star”)

His surname is translated as “star”. He was lacking sparkle in the video.

Is this bloke for real? He even claims to be an ex-Muslim. Peculiar stuff indeed – since when was “Joseph” a Muslim name? I would understand Yusuf, but Joseph? It’s getting fishy.

Fishier still, why did this “Pastor” (along with his friend) claim Islam condones homosexuality and encourages homosexuality? Does the “Pastor” want to tell us something…?

The “holy spirit” and “Christians”

I have never understood fundamentalist Christians. They claim to have the Holy Spirit inside them (which they believe to be God) BUT simultaneously utter lie, hoax and inaccuracy about Islam whilst carrying themselves immaturely. Care to explain…

Invitation to Islam

Are you disenchanted with the church and thinking of leaving. Before you jump into atheism please look into Islam. Islam offers everything a soul needs:


Friday, 3 December 2010

Dishonesty in Robert Price Vs James White Debate?

Ex Fundamentalist Christian Reviews the Debate

An entertaining review, it contains an allegation of dishonesty (discussed further below)

Was James White dishonest?

I don’t believe White can be accused of outright dishonesty. I guess it was a misdirection which will be passed off as a “debate tactic” no doubt. However, it is intellectually dishonest as it dismisses Price’s thesis in a sneaky fashion WITHOUT interacting with his argumentation. White, if he wants to indulge in serious scholarship should try and interact with the INTERNAL arguments Price has put forward to prop his claim. Just a suggestion…

Obvious! But WLC has responded..

Did Price base his article upon internal factors? Yes, he eve mentions he does not have manuscript evidence to support his thesis. . It is of interest to apologetics to note William Lane Craig has interacted on the issue – Dr Craig did not resort to such misdirection – as far as I am aware.

White: A history of debate blunder

If the reviewer was so annoyed at White’s little misdirection he can certainly empathise with Muslims who were aggrieved with James White’s two-fold shoddy scholarship. In a debate with Shabir Ally, White cites a non-existent “narration”. Still to this day I have not seen White give an explanation as to where this “narration” came from though some Muslims have found it came from a dubious Christian missionary tome. Yep, those missionaries do make stuff up – just have a look at pg 193 from Dr Robert Morey’s Islamic Invasion

The second is extremely worrying, in a debate with Sheikh Awal, White presented a claim of “Allah repenting in the Quran”. This was nonsense and he was soon denounced for such a nonsensical claim and even accused of LYING. It turned out; in his defence he cited a shoddy missionary website run by his friend as support!

Sadly, White to this day maintains he is correct and ALL the translators of the Quran are incorrect (his pal’s translation has also been shown to be grammatically incorrect in itself). By the way, his friend is notorious for amking up translations - he was caught making one such up whilst trying to convince his fellow "Bible believing" Christians that Islam "allows sec with animals!

Folks this is not scholarship; this is school boy stuff. This is a reason why debates should never be your primary station of learning. I feel sorry for the “Bible believing” Christians who swallow such fundamentalist fudging.

See here for more information with regards to the blunders:

Did James White “lie” in the Greg Stafford debate?

The reviewer makes such a claim. I have contacted him to explain such a statement. Of course we cannot accuse White of lying based on the reviewer’s say so. Perhaps those of his followers could help stimulate him into clarification…

Debates and buying/selling debates

A whole host of debate tactics (including dishonesty) and telescoping (due to time restraints) can result in serious truth seekers being misled.

James White is a career debater/apologist, thus he seems to be debating every fortnight and putting such up for sale on his site. Muslims should not be buying such material unless they are involved in serious apologetics – that means having GROUNDING in Islam first.

In my view Muslim “debaters” should NOT imitate White. How many times can one debate the same topic? Ultimately you end up making a mockery out of faith – nowadays debates are entertainment and the lay are drawn by the clash of individuals rather than the debate topic.

Debate topics, White and the rest

The reviewer accuses White of having a propensity to veer off topic in debates. Surely it is disrespectful to the audience to do so especially if they have spent some cash in purchasing the debate. I am on the cheap side so…

To be fair many debaters do the same.

Cash for ministries

The reviewer touches upon giving cash to James.

OK, I understand White seeking financial assistance but the “Christian” rabble rousers who cling onto him have no business asking for cash. Why it is “Christian” apologists on the internet think they have a God given right for finances from the “Christian” lay. I have never understood that – especially so with the “Christian” outreaches to Muslims which are full of lie, hoax and outrage. Come on, how those in White’s crew can seriously expect payment for such hate-filled nonsense as “Islam allows sex with animals”.

Really, is this “scholarship” worthy of “financial assistance”? Here is one presenting his “research” to his donors:

Christians, please think CRITICALLY

As Robert Price teaches do your OWN critical reading and don’t rely on what this person or that person is saying. Also, watch out for the misleading half-truths and blatant lies “Christian” apologists present to you. Apart from the in-your-face- type lies we expose on this blog the Christian apologist claim of having x number of manuscripts as though this somehow confirms the reliability of the document is beyond reprehensible. It, amongst other things, militates against the “God breathed” claim our Christian friends append to the Bible.

Prior to Tischendorf’s 1859 find the “Bible believing” Christians would have felt secure in reading the last chunk in Mark 16, enough said. Christians, think critically.

A quick thought on the appearance to the “more than 500”

You would imagine there to be numerous individual accounts recording such an appearance? Surely they would have told their respective stories INDIVIDUALLY and recordings made. After all, it would be deemed something to write home about, right?

Notes of interest from Robert Price’s theorizing

Walker’s (conspiracy) theory of standardization of the Pauline corpus to meet the then orthodox views is all very interesting but does away with any idea of a pre-third century manuscript existing – thus there will NEVER be MS evidence substantiating interpolation within any epistle. It puts White’s misdirection into shame – one can further understand the reviewer’s grievance!

All Price has to work with; “aporias, contradictions, stylistic irregularities, anachronisms, redactional seams”. The notion that Paul could have been a Gnostic is useful interest – perhaps further exploration is required here.

Robert Price begins talking our language with “uncertainty”. He has a point, why close off the options at two (authentic/inauthentic) – there is room for Price’s third!

Price’s big one

This, in my view is Price’s biggy, concerning 15:3: “"received / delivered" (paralambanein / paradidonai) is, as has often been pointed out, technical language for the handing on of rabbinical tradition” and THUS this contradicts 1 Galatians 1:11-12 (Paul is claiming he was not taught it and nor did he receive it from any man).

E.L. Allen cites the obvious problem; that is of the story of the (more than) 500 not being registered in the gospel narratives? Internal suspicions are cranked up further.

The appearance to James the Just (1 Corinthians 15:7) is deemed problematic. “John (7:5) and Mark (3:21, 31-35), followed by Matthew (12:46-50), are clear that he was no friend of the ministry of Jesus”. The issue here is if James was an unbeliever then surely a conversion narrative would have been appended. To be fair Luke (Luke 8:19-21; Acts 1:14), does imply the whole family were believers.

I find it interesting Wisse seems to be warning against Price-type theorizing and citing the stability of scholarship as a reason to shun it. Interesting.

“I believe the prima facie likelihood is that many interpolations occurred in those early days”

Invitation to Islam

Do you know Muslims believe in Jesus as a Prophet? Muslims also believe the Bible has been changed. Learn Islam for yourself rather than relying on some fundamentalist “Christian” bigot to teach you a load of hate-filled twaddle about Islam. Good site to get your feet wet:


Is Ahmad Muhammad? [Surah 61:6 of Quran]

Yes, of course!

Yes, of course Ahmad refers to Muhammad. Ahmad is “the second name of Prophet Muhammad and it (Ahmad) literally means “one who praises Allah more than others” [Hilali-Khan, Interpretation of the meanings of the Noble Quran, Darussalam, 1999, pg 728]

A Christian missionary TV show has been speaking on a Verse of the Quran (Surah 61:6) and the suggestion Ahmad is not Muhammad has been made. Quite why Christian missionaries speak upon topics they have little/no understanding is beyond us and just further discredits their operations and repute. Here is the Verse:

وَإِذۡ قَالَ عِيسَى ٱبۡنُ مَرۡيَمَ يَـٰبَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ إِنِّى رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ إِلَيۡكُم مُّصَدِّقً۬ا لِّمَا بَيۡنَ يَدَىَّ مِنَ ٱلتَّوۡرَٮٰةِ وَمُبَشِّرَۢا بِرَسُولٍ۬ يَأۡتِى مِنۢ بَعۡدِى ٱسۡمُهُ ۥۤ أَحۡمَدُ‌ۖ فَلَمَّا جَآءَهُم بِٱلۡبَيِّنَـٰتِ قَالُواْ هَـٰذَا سِحۡرٌ۬ مُّبِينٌ۬

And (remember) when 'Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allâh unto you confirming the Taurât [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed. But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad SAW) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic." [Dr Mohsin translation Surah 61:6, from Quran explorer]

The verse mentions ٱسۡمُهُ ۥۤ أَحۡمَد (his name is Ahmad). So the Verse is using the name “Ahmad” not “Muhammad”. Ahmad is the superlative form of Muhammad and furthermore the holy Prophet, as narrated in an authentic Hadith, had five names; one of which was “Ahmad”:

Narrated Jubair bin Mut’im: Allah’s Messenger (saw) said, “I have five names: I am Muhammad and Ahmad; I am al Mahi through whom Allah will eliminate Al Kufr (infidelity); I am Al Hashir who will be the first to be resurrected, the people resurrected thereafter; and I am also Al Aqib (ie there will be no Prophet after me) [Sahih al Bukhari, 4/3532 (O.P 732)]

Don't be fooled

I will tell you this Hadith is presented in the Hilali-Khan translation of the Quran as a footnote to S61:6, thus it is not difficult for the Christian missionaries to research it for themselves rather than wasting our time and confusing Muslims and Non-Muslims with their misguided conjecture. May Allah guide them. Ameen.

PS: Somebody on the show was also claiming Jesus “sends” Ahmad. This is incorrect. The Verse (in this regard) teaches Jesus is simply informing people of the good news that ANOTHER Messenger is to come. Allah (God) is the One who sends Prophets!

May Allah send His peace and blessings on all his Messengers. Ameen.


Wednesday, 1 December 2010

Ali Ataie Reinvigorates the "Muhammad in the Bible" Discussion

Fascinating and Entertaining

A fascinating lecture by Ali Ataie – entertaining to boot. It does help transcend a surface level (or erroneous) understanding on the part of those who are unaware of Islam as well as those who are its detractors. For the Muslim the lecture will be beneficial in contextualising Islam in the Abrahamic tradition.

Lecture entitled: Moses, Jesus, Muhammad: One Message

Useful Notes

Moses, Jesus and Muhammad as Muslims

Moses would not have described himself as a Jew. The term “Jew” was initially a tribal distinction and came in use as a spiritual distinction after Moses. The term Christian was first introduced as a derogatory term. Moses, Jesus and Muhammad are indeed Muslims; those whom submit their wills to God. Islam transcends tribal distinctions.

The Quran

The Quran carries out 3 purposes with respect to previous Scripture (Bible):

*Corrects aspects of previous scripture

*Abrogates certain aspects as well as superseding as authority

*Confirms parts/theologies of the Bible

MUSLIMS in the Bible

Muslims in Mark 3:35

Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother. [NIV, Mark 3:35]

We have previously discussed this amazing verse here.

Muslims in Matthew 5:9 – Using the Peshitta and Hebrew translations
This is could be from (the hypothetical) Q source thus earlier than the epistles of Paul. With it also being a direct quote from Jesus we should give it greater consideration than narrative or material from Paul.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. [NIV Mt 5:9]

Ali Ataie suggests Matthew 5:9 to be a reference to Muslims by appealing to the Peshitta (Syriac translation). The Peshitta indicates the quote in the language of Jesus would have been “blessed are those who make Shalom (peace)”

Ali Ataie also appeals to the Hebrew translation as this would have used the plural word for MUSLIMS!
The “sons of God” reference is metaphorical NOT literal. Also the word for God is thought to be “Allah”.

[Muslims are peacemakers in the sense of greeting each other with “assalamualaikum” (peace be on you). I do want to add; this verse has no similar in the Sermon of the Plain found in Luke 6:17-49 so it cannot be said for certain the verse would have been from Q – if Q existed]

Interesting ISLAMIC Prophecy

Mr Ataie points to a fulfilled prophecy; Muslim eschatology teaches people, in the future, will greet each other with insults. He gives some colourful examples of this occurring today!

Muhammad in the Bible – Continuing the Discussion

Isaiah 42

Ali Ataie firstly appeals to Deutero-Isaiah (the second portion of Isaiah 40-55). Once you read Isaiah 42 it is clear parts of it could be considered a typology of the Prophet Muhammad. The servant of the Lord in Isaiah 42 is suggested, by Ataie, to be Prophet Muhammad. A title of Prophet Muhammad is Abd (slave/servant) of Allah.

Ali Ataie mentions a Jew who recognised Muhammad as a Prophet. Without checking it up I think he was referring to Abdullah bin Salam.

[For the Christian detractor: Rather than an explicit reference to Muhammad, the relevant verses in Isaiah could have been an esoteric foreshadowing of the Prophet Muhammad - don't just dismiss it]

Song of Solomon – Renewing the Discussion

My beloved is radiant and ruddy, outstanding among ten thousand.[NIV Song of Songs, 5:10]

*Habibullah – is a name of Prophet Muhammad (the BELOVED of God)

*Radiant and ruddy - Ali Ataie (who uses the Hebrew text) also appeals to the physical description of the Prophet (Muhammad); his complexion was white mixed with redness.

*Outstanding amongst ten thousands - Ali Ataie suggests the “chief amongst ten thousand” refers to the companions of the Prophet Muhammad who were with him at the time of the Mecca conquest.

His head is purest gold; his hair is wavy and black as a raven.

Ali Ataie informs us Prophet’s hair was indeed black and wavy (his hair was neither straight nor curly)

Going further than the standard Muslim appeal

Ali Ataie gets to verse 16 and goes further than the standard Muslim address on Song of Solomon:

His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem.

Muhammadim/Machmudim (im is plural). Without the plural the name Muhammad is left.

Origen (early CHRISTIAN scholar 185-254) is brought up as he believed Scripture had multiple levels of meaning. Apparent and esoteric meanings – foreshadowings, typologies. Ataie also appeals to Matthew who also believed Scripture had multiple esoteric meanings to Scripture.

Christian apologists will raise objection but Muslims can retort with an esoteric meaning referencing the final Messenger of God. This response keeps the discussion alive. This portion is found in the ‘Q an A.

Q and A Section

Amongst other points he debunks the Christian polemic of salvation which they level at Muslims as a straw man argument. The issues of terrorism and Jizya came up – unsurprisingly. A question on violence in religion produced interesting discussion – Ataie cites a Jewish Rabbi who claimed MUSLIM Spain was the golden age for Jews!

“360 CE the vast majority of Christian bishops preached Ebionite theology” - quote of the lecture, PLEASE think about it.

Monotheism: Shema and Surah Ikhlas

Christians and Jews who are familiar with the pure monotheism of the Shema (mentioned in Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark) should look into Sura Ikhlas (chapter 112 of the Quran) and ponder further

NOTE: Ali Ataie’s reference to Norman Geisler’s "co-author" (Abdul Saleeb) would make more sense if you read:

Invitation to the Truth

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